Yes, because the people who are shooting and robbing each other in the hood, that are also talking and bragging about it in their rap songs are black... so obviously, officers, who have kids that listen to rap music, have a fair reason to have prejudice towards you guys.It's only natural.
Whites would never have any privilege if you guys didn't make yourself look worse than them.
yess!! it does exist and the fact some people dont see it is insane i mean there are FACTS of black people getting more time in prison than white people for the SAME EXACT CRIME
The truth that no one wants to say is that black culture has a problem with authority that it refuses to address or improve upon. Instead it cause then to react to pressure like a child calling the judge names or resisting arrest adding onto the sentence.
Oh please. Enough with the regurgitated leftist debunked arguments.
It's not as simplistic as that. Most black defendents have a rap sheet 2x-4x longer than a white defendent. And the nature of past crimes dictate the sentencing. Blacks have more violent offenses than whites. That is why they get longer sentencing than whites for the same crime.
I agree and disagree. A major reason black Americans generally are arrested or imprisoned isn't because of a hatred for the black community or deliberate attack on them but it's due to the fact that black people statistically speaking have a higher rate of fatherless households which also statistically speaking leads to higher crime rates. Only 38.7% of African-American minors live with both parents. 85% of youth who are currently in prison grew up in a fatherless home according to the Texas departments of Corrections. As respectfully as I can say this African Americans also tend to live in not as nice neighborhoods because of the poverty rates not as nice neighborhoods means more crime and more crime means a continuous chain of black Americans getting into crime so they can feed their families . So I would not necessarily say white privilege or whites can do so much more than blacks but undoubtedly the economic disproportionality needs to be fixed by doing things such as lowering the black unemployment rate and getting our African American citizens out of poverty.
I may do assume that racism is a reality in the US and many other countries, however I believe much more in a wealthy privilege, in which the white population due to its bigger currency levels is less affected by law jurisdiction than the black population. But Indeed, this social reality has its roots laid on racism and consequently slavery.
I think they way most people come to conclusions is based mainly on experience. How a person reacts to what goes on in the world. From what vantage point are you looking from. How does it affect you. Gut reactions. You try to analyze things objectively as best you can. I really don't think I'm much different from you.
The purpose of a debate is not to promote a manifesto. It's to make a general point. This is my initial contact with you and I have no idea what you've said in the past. If you tell me the only needs a person has is to eat deficate and sleep my response would be in that case you can attain all those things in prison. I think humanity has needs that go far beyond basic life needs. I think history shows that repressing human need creates a violent response.
I'm not gonna try to change your philosophy if thats how you see it. I see things more in terms of society. Particularly a free society. Freedom is freedom of Government intrusions but to me it's also freedom from poverty.
There are life needs and there are immediate needs. Giving money helps for immediate needs. Life needs are dealt with by learning. I would say to someone,find what they believe in and pursue it. I can't decide what life need a person should pursue.
Probably not much diffrent then what you want. Treat everyone with dignity and respect however say the truth as you see it. Help people, and acknowledge the help you recieve. I don't believe it only comes from God but I believe in decency,be decent.
You are correct,this is why I don't value one society over another. When I say German society is more advanced than American its because they've addressed their historical injustices in away that we never have,they have a sucessful economy with much less urban blight and they have better health care. I mainly address the injustices of my society because a movement has existed all my life to lessen the affect of those injustices to the present.
that would not be enough to come to a conclusion in the eyes of your role models to rank other places. you can only rank your interactions with those people
Interestingly enough the world came to me. People from all over the world come to the great cities. I've had conversations with folk from Vietnam, Ghana, Isreal,Russia and Ukraine etc. However the society that affected my life and in fact changed my life most profoundly was the African American counterculture. My basic belief that America was the righteous beacon of freedom to the world was completely upended by a new truth, one who's effect was there for the world to see. The new way of promoting racism today has just as many implications as jim crow or even slavery. It establishes a social movement that will not address issues of minority poverty rather than to just accept it as an imperfect world. This will be like discarding millions of human beings.
what evidence america is most great because they have the most goodness? I would imagine you would come to your conclusion the same as a philosopher or scientist by living in other countries
When I say great I mean it in terms of relative to other empires, I do not at all mean virtue. All societies including American have based their aquisition of wealth on their ability to make war. I believe all society would be cleaner richer and more enlightened if this was not so. I truly believe the concept of a good war does not exist. WW 2 is usually refrenced as a righteous cause but I believe if you look at the power brokering and factions that occured it was in fact a war to finally establish a world order. Germany was indeed the most advanced nation in the world at the time however hatred destroyed that society. Today as a much less militaristic nation Germany once again is one of the most advanced nations,more socially advanced than the U.S.
yes, its all about control. we would have to discuss what you define as the greatest though. the average american is an apathetic piece of shit to another
All wars are primarily fought to decide the system of power. Germany wanted to be the primary nation of Europe and lost a terrible war of attrition in 1918. WW2 was basically again to decide which nation would attain prominence. The U.S. then became the greatest and richest empire in history.
a true democracy would have personalized laws and permissions based on character. i should be able to have more rights if i do not kill anyone or steal from anyone.
all wars begin with apathy. if your arguments that wars exist and people tell us there is a good reason. i can not argue that. if you tell me that you think its a dem and presidents can be won by not being elected by the people, you are delusional
Look, I hate war, however there are just wars and most of the wars the US has fought in were just. Killing our fellow children of God is upsetting and horrible, but I was just pointing out that the just wars that the US has fought in make The United States of America the defender of freedom and democracy on this beautiful planet Earth.
I am not sure if a comment was shared that would defeat my out look. at the end of the day, you are just arguing if something is right or wrong. the world is more than dichotomy. if you promote violence of any kind, we would have to discuss trauma and mental illness. then i can promote empathy and understanding a persons experience in war and why it is harmful to us as a whole. it is not a coincidence that the largest suicide rate is middle aged white males in this country. ill give you a hint, violence
xenophobia is not hate and we can only talk about a ten trillion individuals when describing war intent. again, if you want to win stop bringing up ww2
Okay however war is not always xenophobic because you do not hate the individual, rather what they are fighting for. People have been forced to fight for things that they do not believe in such as Nazi Germany, however when a US soldier killed a Nazi it was not because they hated the other soldier, but what they were fighting for.
Ok, we are citing different definitions. I am citing the google definition which states, "dislike or prejudice of people from other countries", so we both are correct.
if you look up xenophobia, that is exactly what its is. we are against people that harm others. other people with that xenophobia also would like to hurt others. you might be confusing xenophobia with immoral reasons to be against something. i am against dating a sub asian for my own personal reasons - i am against the kkk - i am against rapist - i am against vegans that force people to be vegan
Manuel Gallego I see your point, however when the US annexed land it was to support the spread of democracy and freedom throughout the world. I'm specifically referring to your response to WWII I say this because the Allies dividing what was once Nazi controlled Berlin is not immoral, however the influence of the US is for good reasons.
if you ask someone to make a difference, you will get different lives. war begins because of xenophobia, impulse concerns and low level of brain function in frontal area
is it objectively analyzing or empathy at every turn im order to understand masses of people or an individual. most people are just following and do not have a true reason to start war.
to properly validated anythin, you will have to speak with all the soldiers and not why the leaders agreeds to war. when does a war start, when is declared or when a soldier says yes
WW1 American expeditionary force validates US influence in Europe. WW2 Western front stabilizing policy causes Eastern Front war of Attrition. Revolutionary war grants America impunity to advance on Native nations and slaves. Civil war was basically a Southern Revolution for states rights and preservation of an agrarian traditional society against industrialism that the South might have won if not for slavery. 1812 U.S. failed attempt to annex parts of Canada.
Pay anyone either collectively or individually if they wete oppressed by the US. It would effectively redistribute wealth and create a consumes market.
What you day isn't true. It doesn't even begin to excuse or even lessen the affect of African American slavery. It doesn't lesson the affect of disenfranchisment.
consequences is all americans talk about. we are excited to perform the scapegoat mechanism on any smaller group. there is no proof they do it because they are white. any bigger group will lash at a smaller group. the small group is ignorant people. the big group is everyone else. the truth is are all one ignorant group
The consequences of racism have not been addressed. White paradigm is this countries identifying aspect. It is a pledge of allegiance to everything white in America. It leaves real culture in a secondary place in our society .
W.P does not exist because everyone is a shade of brown. We are unable to declare that P is exclusive enough to need the term W.P..... for all we know, the next animal to take over will have black widow privilege
"Societal movement", you sure must not understand racism, people are racist against whites the same way people are racist against other ethnicities. It is very sad how you can not spell or understand racism @Manuel Gallego
I actually do not really have a problem with paying black people reparations in theory but I feel it may not have happened because of reasons other than racism....like every race wanting reparations for all the troubles they had...At no point was I complaining or saying my feelings were hurt in a rap song but I do feel it is messed up that people respect rappers talking about killing cops and cops are actually getting killed, hated, and mistreated because of this... Cops are getting kicked out of starbucks and shot to death at CiCi's pizza because of it. They are not racist sometimes one here and there out of all of them in the country make a mistake....thats it thats the real truth
I'm a cripple who got assaulted pretty bad by a whiteboy who also hurled a lot of racist slurs my way. I don't blame the world for what happened to me,I don't blame racism. It happened because at that point in my life I became the rabbit. A lot of people will see a rabbit and kick it because they find it enjoyable to kick something weak. I decided to stop being the rabbit. I shut the hell up and made myself stronger. Now when people wanna. kick me I tell them they may get punched or stabbed and they tend to no longer see me as the rabbit. Slurs were made prejudice's were committed, but ultimately it wasn't about racism, it was about rabbits.
I never debated Shapiro but many many times I debated one of his predecessors the founder of Prager U, Dennis Prager. Those guys are intellectualists, I'm more of a visceralist. People want to tout Shapiro as some kind of thundergod but he's basically a very successful net busker who dedicates himself to a mastery of facts.For me Data means very little because 1 theres always going to be counter data and 2 I'm more interested in the implications since the facts are usually based on agenda and interpretation. Once you accept that all media avenues are profit based then you realize that they all spew marketing concepts regarding the news. This to me is everyone from Russ Limbaugh to Amy Goodman. All I would say to you is don't let this stuff get into your blood to the point of stress.
I agree with your statement regarding Shapiro stomping on his own tail and I agree that he lost now because of it, but the fact is I have not seen/heard of anyone else defeat him in a debate, his points were not defeated only his assumption and that is still debatable, and people like you act like OOOHHHH YYAAAA when he lost ONE recent debate and destroys all the others. Furthermore I can understand not wanting to throw out examples of racism but that was the only way to give you my perspective. If you truly have seen so many examples of racism towards blacks could you not provide even one scenario? And we may have had totally different experiences I choose to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you when you say those things occurred but I hope you can understand that I have a hard time believing it because that is not my experience. I mean what is more believable just using common sense; A. White people are racist toward blacks all the time and calling them the N word contradicting the fact that in todays society even mispronouncing the N word ruins your entire life, reputation, and makes an entire race of people want you dead. Or B. Because black people are not subject to being called racist in any way shape or form they took advantage of that and use it to belittle, insult, and de-platform the people that they treat as being responsible for the race they belong to's past. Your probably going to argue that saying the N word does not have that effect and that black people can be held accountable for racism but if you argue that then it shows just how out of touch you are with reality.
I could relate to you the many times I have personally seen Racism inflicted by whites toward blacks. They probably numerically surpass your experiences because in truth it just occurred so many times in so many ways it just became sort of a normal occurrence. Not to judge you but its not my style to do that a lot. Briefly on Shapiro the reason I believe he got outclassed that night was because he stepped on his own tail. He assumed Niel had an agenda. He then became defensive and hostile AND accusatory. I would have never got trapped like that because I would simply answer each challenging question with a counterpoint response. I wouldn't get hostile because once again its not my nature to become resentful over a debate. When I get resentful or even angry is when folks get insultive or nasty. The irony I find in your observations is you want to minimize the effects of racism toward Blacks as you point to the effects of what you see as racism toward whites. So now you want me to somehow equate that a couple of Black dudes gave you a hard time at work to a lagacy of the middle passages, slavery,jim crow, Government recognition of Blacks as three fitfths human,lynchings,poverty, white crime flooding Black ghettos with Drugs, etc.etc.etc! THEN you point how your injustice has filled you with the righteous indignation while simultaneously accusing blacks of focusing on the past,Come on man.
The idea that Andrew Neil "destroyed" Ben Shapiro is subjective. I believe Ben did not do a good job of maintaining a civil conversation but I also do not believe he lost overall just because of that. All of his points are valid points he just fucked up in his delivery appearing to lose. Let me give you a little perspective; I am 28, I do not have a high school diploma because I suck at Algebra (missing one class Algebra 2), I had to start from scratch when my father died and move to Las Vegas with no family or friends and now I am and Armed Security Supervisor for a Casino planning on going into Law Enforcement soon.
What I know after growing up listening to rap (still do) because I love the music which helped me to deal with a lot of problems while I grew up. And becoming a rapper myself I used to hate the police. But now that I am older and have much experience working with the police and doing a similar job but on a smaller scale, I have come to realize that this idea of white people are not cool, racist, and are trying to dominate the world is very wrong. The first dumbest reason that this idea is not reasonable is that just because the people that lead the country are of a certain skin color does not mean that has to be racism driven.
Of course anything is possible, but when white Americans are the majority then it is more likely that they will hold certain positions. You bring up things that African Americans have been denied but you never state the reason the government gave for the denial and also many people of different races are denied things from the government all the time. Another is that spreading more insults and hatred to another race is not the way to fix racism it only causes more friction, depression, and suicides. I don't know where you grew up but in Los Angeles I was definitely not the majority as a white man. Every black person I ever met while in school with the exception of one was bullying and making fun of kids that were white saying things like "I bet your mom wants this black dick" or "Shut the **** up you don't have any problems your white stop crying".
And if a white kid tried to hang out with them they just would give him the extra cold shoulder not explicitly stating it is because he is white but come on....we all know why when everyone in your group of friends is black. That's the other thing they would only hang out with black people. Nowadays it is not as bad because they use white kids that want nothing more but to have friends to get money from them or use them to get out of trouble somehow especially if you live in the ghetto which I did for a long time. I know you are going to say these are all theories but things like this are only proven via word of mouth. I have had black Security Officers working under my supervision confirm these things as true to me as well. I have also had black Security Officers who turned on me because they are racist. I had a guy (a black guy ironically) that by gaming law I had to take his 10 dollars because he did not have an ID and i could not know if the funds were legally obtained or obtained by a minor. So he starts to come at me yelling and making threats, my S/O who is a black girl comes over and gets between us. Then a dumbass Manager gave him his money anyway because she was intimidated and ended up getting fired for it. After the fact the guy apologized to me (because he got his way) and my Officer responded to him by stating to me "Well ya hes gunna get mad you tried to take a black mans money". The saddest part of it was that all he had to do was bring in a valid ID and we would give his 10 bucks back but he wouldn't even listen long enough to hear that because he was to busy pulling the race card.
Any interaction I have with a black person of which I need to ask them to do something they respond by pulling out the race card. And I am talking about things that are just normally expected of people like providing Security with your ID while gaming in a casino. I have met many reasonable black people as well but I have met way way more unreasonable ones and almost every day in my line of work. You act like personal experience does not count for anything but it really does. It would be different if I was just a keyboard warrior in my moms basement but I actually have hands on experience dealing with the public for over 10 years and I am trusted to carry a firearm, supervise my team, and protect them everyday while on my property.
I apologize for being so lengthy but I wanted to get my perspective across to you and show where I am coming from even though I may not be well educated in the free market and resources I know how to recognize a problem when I see it and nothing you say to me can excuse the ignorant and racist behavior that these people get away with everyday and if you speak against it you are "alt-right" or racist. So I want to give you one more example of the racism I have experienced and this is the one that really brought me over away from the left. So working Security on the Las Vegas strip I was giving first aid to a black man who is a friend of ours that fell down the escalator and cracked his head open and we were waiting for the paramedics. As I am waiting I look up and notice a crowd of black people forming around us with cell phones. They then start screaming things like "I hope you burn you in hell you racist ****!" "How dare you crackers beat up some poor black man!" so now its been about 30 minutes of this and there is at least 25 people around us and the paramedics still haven't shown up. I call the paramedics and they said that the fire department cleared because they were unable to locate us. WELL SHIT I WONDER WHY?? So I ended up having to force the poor guy to walk up the street with blood pouring out his head to the Harmon Medical Center and get help which I do not know if he made it because I never saw him again. SO my question to you is at what point does racism toward white people become a problem? Because it already causes depression, anxiety, possibly causes mass shootings, and incidents like the one above where they might have actually killed one of their own people and a dear friend of mine.
You can be Shapiro as long as I get to be the guy who handed him his head,Andrew Neil. ( you tube Shapiro vs. Neil, hilarious.) If you do not have a practical knowledge in how to create resourses you have no real political,or social platform. Theoretical political science is as credable to the practical truth as a degree in underwater basket weaving. Financial resource is the key to any social movement and can only be achieved through a basic collectivist concept of contractual agreements and the bequeathed wealth of investors,aka wealth past on to you by your family or personal advocate,along with the quality of your instincts. African Americans were denied this throughout the entire American history. Native Americans were simply decimated. No group of people can endure such a history without being ravaged and every group who were opressed ultimately turned to crime during their term of oppression. That said the Irish,Italians,Jewish people and other Europeans were allowed assimilation while people of color simply were not. American Caucasians have lived under the lie that somehow it was they who created a nation of vast wealth and justice when in fact much wealthier healthier and more free nations preceded their unlawful invasion. The consequence to this is something that I have witnessed for 6 decades,the transfer from a predominantly English euro culture to a more Spanish culture from places such as Mexico,Salvador,and Honduras,along with the primary intellectual and artistic aspect coming from the African American people. And now in a new blessing a Somali Refugee may soon deliver us from the ineptitude of our current shameful leadership. I truly believe when the African American community is granted through resource a level playing field,many of our current dilemmas will be made obsolete.
Fact: It took you two hours to make a small paragraph that only addresses one of the topics I replied to above. Fact: I have a lot of knowledge and experience in a specific subject but I am just getting into politics so I can not speak to you about Marxism or the free market because I have not studied them enough. I hope you can respect that because it is something you never hear people say with the exception of Candace Owens. My people were oppressed but you do not see me asking for compensation. You know why? Because they're used to be a time that people did not accept hand outs and actually had a sense of pride and self accountability. I was a victim of many things but I do not go around trying to gain others sympathy for a profit. No instead you suck it up, eat a fucking steak and get over it because that's what your ancestors had to do and they were actually fucking oppressed and could not eat a steak. FYI social media and the internet is the normal form of communication now. If you can not rely on a google search to give you an idea of what is popular than you are stuck in the 80s. Especially if it is music which is pretty much only bought online now. Did you notice how if you do either one of those searches the whole list is of songs regarding police racism or brutality?
I place very little value in a pursuance of truth by way of Google,Twitter or anything else that makes people talk baby talk. I think federal reparations to anyone who's been opressed are valid as long as they're pro rated for both duration and amount of suffering inflicted. This would mean a significant redistribution of wealth. If that sounds Marxist to you let me make clear that I feel the only way to see that we can afford the high price of justice is to promote a policy of responsible free market deregulation. If the people who are proficient in providing resourses should flee the American market we will be left to battle for the remaining assets amongst,intellectuals,artists and religionists.
Try googling "rap song about good cops" then "rap song about bad cops" and there is your fact if there is a song that's about good cops it doesn't exist in a google search so no one has probably heard it or wanted to hear it because that wouldn't be cool. If you really believe that black culture respects white people or cops you must live under a rock. Please do not put words in my mouth, I never said anything about black people complaining all I said was that because of slavery it might be possible that they held a grudge and passed it on to their kids. I do not know anything about the reparations to be paid by the government to black people but I know that I am Irish why aren't the English paying me for my oppression? And why do you not hear any other race complain about having been slaves or oppressed? Because they know it did not happen to them directly and rioting in the streets throwing rocks and silencing people playing the victim just makes you look like an ass. The government probably realized that paying every single black person in America would leave them damn near broke and open a whole new world of opportunity for anyone else that come up with a reason that they should be compensated.... By the way silencing someone for their skin color is a whole different thing than hurting their feelings. When people get silenced and have no platform to voice their opinion bad things happen FACT. I just went Ben Shapiro all over your shit bruh ; )
Yes I gave an example based on my experience but that doesn't mean I do not have facts to support it I just have a lot of experience as well. Problem: In the black community it is cool to hate police. Fact: Like people will tell you (especially if you are a white rapper) Rap and Hip Hop are music that speaks for the black culture. So if this is true there is not one rap song by a black person that speaks good about the cops but almost all of them talk shit about the cops or white people directly or indirectly. If I understand you correctly you are saying that the newer generation of black people are trying to minimize racism. So lets say institutional racism does exist, you really think spreading more racism is the way to fix it? Because that is what we are seeing when people are silenced and not allowed to have a voice just because they are white. That is also why I believe these mass shootings are usually commited by white men. They are not allowed to speak or have a say in anything these days unless they are liberal snowflakes. In turn there is much bottled up anger that just builds and builds until they go crazy or suicidal.
I find it interesting how you advocate the use of statistical evidence to make a point then turn around and use your personal experiences to show an absolute conclusion or at least a compelling point. The next layer of irony is you base your evidence of insightful wisdom on a number of interactions with African Americans along with things you may have heard people say in the streets. I say that it is my experience that all people expose their children to practical living values and all people have disfunctional elements existing in their families. It's just the ones who happen to be of a darker color have this compounded by a history of hateful discrimination that now many of the children of the perpetrators choose to minimize.
If you can not prove that these problems exist in the first place of course you can not point to any data that shows they have been addressed. Is it not possible that maybe because of their grudge for the past slavery that most black people became rebellious to society and raised their kids this way? In turn causing them to drop out of school, join gangs, do drugs and all the other problems we see in predominately black areas? I have not met one black person my age that was raised to respect the police or white people and I grew up in Los Angeles. I know that they exist but it speaks to how rare it is and as culture it is cool to hate them which is very wrong but to SJWs it is okay. If you are taught to hate police and argue with them you will end up in jail and that is why they do. Institutional racism does not exist and I bet you can not give me even one example of it. Just because something is commonly believed by many people does not make it true.
Systematic racisim exists as a variation of institutional racism. Legal slavery,segregation originally recognizing Blacks as less then human,decimation of the original nations of America. Because of such repression poverty exists today in Black and Native American communities. If you believe the past has been adequately addressed to me that represents the most dangerous aspect of racism, the continuance of the current social order that features white dominance of power throughout the world or at least a world system based on elitism. You can not validate such views with so called facts, however you cannot point to any data that shows these problems have been addressed.
I am a 28 yo straight white male with no high school diploma. My parents were broke my entire childhood and my dad was an attorney but still broke because he had so much education and experience no one could pay his price. I have been broke my entire life and suffer from extreme depression, anxiety, and hunger. So excuse me if I have a hard time believing that I have a privilege because of the pale bland ugly skin color that I am.
Yes I agree that cultures can have problems in America White culture is the foundational element to crime being a problem in places like Baltimore as the financial and distribution element of the drug trade is established by unathorized white corporations who are very weathy. These are called organized crime.
I find it unconscionably ironic when a white man points to a blackmans cultural problems when it was that white mans culture that time and again perpetrated crimes against all cultures to retain a purpose of white entitlement and dare I say privilege. This was not promoted by all that were white,only by an elite white minority. Ultimately it oppressed everyone regardless of color.
Being white is almost the furthest from an actual privilege. Its demonized. Most of you have no clue of what the definition of "privilege" is. If there is any "privileged" race, at least, based off of the ignorant definitions of most of you then Asians would have the most privilege.
The reality and facts are simple. Every other race in America has 3 times the financial programs given to only them to help them succeed. We don't have race problems in this country we have "culture" problems.
This is why you have 14% of the US population of blacks, being responsible for 62% of all violent crimes being reported. Unfortunately, today's world has everyone so scared of color conversations even when its factual and based off undeniable evidence.
The biggest bias of privilege is one no one ever talks about and that is WOMEN'S PRIVILEGE.
Its very difficult for whites to come to grips with this. It doesn't just implicate America it implicates all European societies. The sadistic Spanish and Portuguese slave traders The French and British subjugation of Africa,genocides forced labor, torture,rape again and again. Then when it subsided the perpetrators said ,okay!Its over"we've now "set you free!"go fend for yourselves. No group of people could have endured this without terrible suffering and consequences. Now those who still reap benifiets from not just American white privilege but WORLD white privilege say" stop playing the race card!". Deal with the problems that exist within Black culture." The only problem with Black culture is that it became infested by White invading hordes. Saying that its now time to be color blind is the true playing of the White card. Not necessarily denying history, but worse yet,failing to acknowledge the consequences.
Manual, I'm sure that you, like me, are wondering why there are no other commenters/debaters on this or any other subject on this site. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I will only add a couple more comments to you regarding this subject and then will consider my time spent discussing it, done. I'll explain---I have given up---years ago, simply going through the process of taking sides in a discussion/debate for the 'thrill of the competition', as a well-known statesman once said years ago. I fall in to that category.
I believe that, quite simply, humanity's short time on this earth has been very successful in its evolutionary approach to determining fairness and equity. These two worthy goals are, and never have been, primary in the ongoing process. Superiority over its surroundings 'in all forms', comes first. Not that certain aspects of our lives don't suffer in the process---environment, societal norms, etc. I'm sure you're familiar with the historical genealogy of homo sapien and how it(we) managed to survive all the trials and tribulations along the way--from conquering the Neanderthal some 35,000 years ago, and the Cro-Magnon some few thousands of years after.. In virtually every instance, Homo Sapien has conquered the obstacles that either kept it from succeeding or helped create a path to where we are today.
The strong survive, and the weak succumb. It is only after this historical process has reached a plateau of comfort and convenience that any species, including Homo Sapiens, relax long enough to adjudge fairness or equity in what they have done, and then appear to level the playing field. This is where we are today, as I see it. It is a time, I believe, when virtually all things outside our societal environs have been--appeased.
Concluding--and I apologize for being so lengthy, I agree with your assessment that white supremacy exists. I also believe it will continue this way for some time in many locales, although not all. I mentioned earlier my belief that as the human race continues to exist, homogeneity will eventually render the entire argument moot. I am an old man. It won't be in my lifetime. I'm guessing it may take 4-5 more generations to create a more acceptable balance. But this is as it is! There is no way around it. Yes, the occasional revolution here or there will bring to boil all the acid in the unfairness in humanity. But I submit that there will be salves applied here and there to these festering wounds, and life will go on.
I thank you for your time and interest in discussing/debating this subject, Manual, and hope you fine peace with the 'what is'. This will be my last comments on the subject.
When I say you must make peace I only mean that as an observation. The wealthy elite in this country who were white proclaimed freedom for all then recognized blackmen as three fifths human while they attrited red men. The direct historical line to that and today exists. The only thing that ended was killing and slavery. A criminal act is not met with justice by merely stopping the crime. Regardless of your position in society it would be worse if you weren't white. Denial of this is the lie. To play the white card is to proclaim so called color blindness when one of the main foundations of this society is to oppress based on color,then 250 years later deny the current consequences.
In America if you are white you must make peace with the fact that your life was based on a lie. Every thing a white person attains has so called white privilege as a major component to the base.Your white icons were Grandfathered to acclaim by racism, your success had white privilege enhancement. If you are struggling your fall will be less. Your gain will be greater. It is a cultural tie to history.
Hello, first off, i like the change my mind but opposing side spin off of steven crowder it’s a fresh way to see the question and i love it, but to get into it, i do not think there is such a thing as white privileged. Now this may sound racist but these are the facts ok, here we go, there are not more black men and women in jail, only 34% of jail inmates are of african american race, those facts are straight from naacp, and 70% of african american women are employed, vs. 69% of caucasian american women are employed now only 66% of african american men are employed but 79% of caucasian americans employed, and african american unemployment is at a nation wide low. And studies show that if you take a white male and an african american male that have the same job in the same state get paid the exact same.
The specific topic of my direction was white privilege, but yes those other privileges do exist. I was just putting it out there for someone to disagree with or debate. Also, the effects white privilege by far surpass the effects of black privilege. And on the topic of money privilege, that's a privilege that white people experience more than any other race in America.
Of course white privilege exists! So does moneyed privilege and black privilege and religious privilege and---, etc. The list of so-called privileges is long and specific to the culture, the geography, the time period one may use as a benchmark.
So while your statement is certainly true, it carries no weight or direction, or in my opinion, no purpose. Change my mind.
In white countries there is but in black countries there is black privilege and in Asia there is asian privilege simple as that
There will not be enough space for me to accept your challenge herein.
So everything is posted here: White Privilege - Fact or Fiction
Yes, because the people who are shooting and robbing each other in the hood, that are also talking and bragging about it in their rap songs are black... so obviously, officers, who have kids that listen to rap music, have a fair reason to have prejudice towards you guys. It's only natural.
Whites would never have any privilege if you guys didn't make yourself look worse than them.
yess!! it does exist and the fact some people dont see it is insane i mean there are FACTS of black people getting more time in prison than white people for the SAME EXACT CRIME
i fully agree w u white privilege does exist
I agree and disagree. A major reason black Americans generally are arrested or imprisoned isn't because of a hatred for the black community or deliberate attack on them but it's due to the fact that black people statistically speaking have a higher rate of fatherless households which also statistically speaking leads to higher crime rates. Only 38.7% of African-American minors live with both parents. 85% of youth who are currently in prison grew up in a fatherless home according to the Texas departments of Corrections. As respectfully as I can say this African Americans also tend to live in not as nice neighborhoods because of the poverty rates not as nice neighborhoods means more crime and more crime means a continuous chain of black Americans getting into crime so they can feed their families . So I would not necessarily say white privilege or whites can do so much more than blacks but undoubtedly the economic disproportionality needs to be fixed by doing things such as lowering the black unemployment rate and getting our African American citizens out of poverty.
I may do assume that racism is a reality in the US and many other countries, however I believe much more in a wealthy privilege, in which the white population due to its bigger currency levels is less affected by law jurisdiction than the black population. But Indeed, this social reality has its roots laid on racism and consequently slavery.
i can explain why i think the way i do and say the things i do. not everyone thinks the same way and many people just say things they no nothing about
I think they way most people come to conclusions is based mainly on experience. How a person reacts to what goes on in the world. From what vantage point are you looking from. How does it affect you. Gut reactions. You try to analyze things objectively as best you can. I really don't think I'm much different from you.
i know, i was trying to understand why you see things that way. that is why we never got to debate
a debate is to help me understand you. so fsr i have no idea where your beliefs come from
The purpose of a debate is not to promote a manifesto. It's to make a general point. This is my initial contact with you and I have no idea what you've said in the past. If you tell me the only needs a person has is to eat deficate and sleep my response would be in that case you can attain all those things in prison. I think humanity has needs that go far beyond basic life needs. I think history shows that repressing human need creates a violent response.
what do you mean by see things in terms of society? I have been promoting human interactions for sometime
how can you define anything by generalizing?
I'm not gonna try to change your philosophy if thats how you see it. I see things more in terms of society. Particularly a free society. Freedom is freedom of Government intrusions but to me it's also freedom from poverty.
the only needs are to eat shit and sleep. everything else is extra credit
There are life needs and there are immediate needs. Giving money helps for immediate needs. Life needs are dealt with by learning. I would say to someone,find what they believe in and pursue it. I can't decide what life need a person should pursue.
why give money if you can teach them to shift. How would you teach someone to be financial independent?
how do you help people and yourself
Probably not much diffrent then what you want. Treat everyone with dignity and respect however say the truth as you see it. Help people, and acknowledge the help you recieve. I don't believe it only comes from God but I believe in decency,be decent.
one person can influence 1000. what would you like to do in order to make your home a better place for you to live in
You are correct,this is why I don't value one society over another. When I say German society is more advanced than American its because they've addressed their historical injustices in away that we never have,they have a sucessful economy with much less urban blight and they have better health care. I mainly address the injustices of my society because a movement has existed all my life to lessen the affect of those injustices to the present.
that would not be enough to come to a conclusion in the eyes of your role models to rank other places. you can only rank your interactions with those people
Interestingly enough the world came to me. People from all over the world come to the great cities. I've had conversations with folk from Vietnam, Ghana, Isreal,Russia and Ukraine etc. However the society that affected my life and in fact changed my life most profoundly was the African American counterculture. My basic belief that America was the righteous beacon of freedom to the world was completely upended by a new truth, one who's effect was there for the world to see. The new way of promoting racism today has just as many implications as jim crow or even slavery. It establishes a social movement that will not address issues of minority poverty rather than to just accept it as an imperfect world. This will be like discarding millions of human beings.
what evidence america is most great because they have the most goodness? I would imagine you would come to your conclusion the same as a philosopher or scientist by living in other countries
i see, what do you think is the ppint system that would accumulate each countries level of greatness. what are the lay ups and three pointers?
When I say great I mean it in terms of relative to other empires, I do not at all mean virtue. All societies including American have based their aquisition of wealth on their ability to make war. I believe all society would be cleaner richer and more enlightened if this was not so. I truly believe the concept of a good war does not exist. WW 2 is usually refrenced as a righteous cause but I believe if you look at the power brokering and factions that occured it was in fact a war to finally establish a world order. Germany was indeed the most advanced nation in the world at the time however hatred destroyed that society. Today as a much less militaristic nation Germany once again is one of the most advanced nations,more socially advanced than the U.S.
yes, its all about control. we would have to discuss what you define as the greatest though. the average american is an apathetic piece of shit to another
All wars are primarily fought to decide the system of power. Germany wanted to be the primary nation of Europe and lost a terrible war of attrition in 1918. WW2 was basically again to decide which nation would attain prominence. The U.S. then became the greatest and richest empire in history.
Again, I hate war, however there are just wars.
if i can ask for more rights, that means we are not free
a true democracy would have personalized laws and permissions based on character. i should be able to have more rights if i do not kill anyone or steal from anyone.
all wars begin with apathy. if your arguments that wars exist and people tell us there is a good reason. i can not argue that. if you tell me that you think its a dem and presidents can be won by not being elected by the people, you are delusional
Look, I hate war, however there are just wars and most of the wars the US has fought in were just. Killing our fellow children of God is upsetting and horrible, but I was just pointing out that the just wars that the US has fought in make The United States of America the defender of freedom and democracy on this beautiful planet Earth.
I apologize if I came off as rude, from my perspective we were just having a civilized political debate and I thought I won said debate.
I am not sure if a comment was shared that would defeat my out look. at the end of the day, you are just arguing if something is right or wrong. the world is more than dichotomy. if you promote violence of any kind, we would have to discuss trauma and mental illness. then i can promote empathy and understanding a persons experience in war and why it is harmful to us as a whole. it is not a coincidence that the largest suicide rate is middle aged white males in this country. ill give you a hint, violence
But if someone said "all of them" and I cite an example defeating their comment, why don't I win?
you are always wrong when you say we and war. we are not ants being controlled mentally be a queen
xenophobia is not hate and we can only talk about a ten trillion individuals when describing war intent. again, if you want to win stop bringing up ww2
Okay however war is not always xenophobic because you do not hate the individual, rather what they are fighting for. People have been forced to fight for things that they do not believe in such as Nazi Germany, however when a US soldier killed a Nazi it was not because they hated the other soldier, but what they were fighting for.
dislike is not hate and dictionaries are almost always wrong when describing human nature or science
Ok, we are citing different definitions. I am citing the google definition which states, "dislike or prejudice of people from other countries", so we both are correct.
if a new country created today, xenophobia did not increase. against people that are different is the socialscience definition
it is not hatred nor does it only relate to other countries
So you guys think that the US shouldn't be involved in foreign affairs?
Xenophobia is the hatred of people that live in other countries.
if you look up xenophobia, that is exactly what its is. we are against people that harm others. other people with that xenophobia also would like to hurt others. you might be confusing xenophobia with immoral reasons to be against something. i am against dating a sub asian for my own personal reasons - i am against the kkk - i am against rapist - i am against vegans that force people to be vegan
Manuel Gallego I see your point, however when the US annexed land it was to support the spread of democracy and freedom throughout the world. I'm specifically referring to your response to WWII I say this because the Allies dividing what was once Nazi controlled Berlin is not immoral, however the influence of the US is for good reasons.
I wouldn't say fighting Confederates or Nazis is xenophobic.
if you ask someone to make a difference, you will get different lives. war begins because of xenophobia, impulse concerns and low level of brain function in frontal area
is it objectively analyzing or empathy at every turn im order to understand masses of people or an individual. most people are just following and do not have a true reason to start war.
to properly validated anythin, you will have to speak with all the soldiers and not why the leaders agreeds to war. when does a war start, when is declared or when a soldier says yes
WW1 American expeditionary force validates US influence in Europe. WW2 Western front stabilizing policy causes Eastern Front war of Attrition. Revolutionary war grants America impunity to advance on Native nations and slaves. Civil war was basically a Southern Revolution for states rights and preservation of an agrarian traditional society against industrialism that the South might have won if not for slavery. 1812 U.S. failed attempt to annex parts of Canada.
all wars are immoral because someone has to play devil and promote an enemy in a darker light than reality
How did we immorally benefit from the following wars?
World War I, World War II, The Revolutionary War, The War of 1812, The Korean War, and The Civil War.
Thanks
That is pathetic, you do not know what you are talking about.
Thanks Andrew Yang, I would like for you to name one unjust war that the United States of America has immorally benefited from.
Pay anyone either collectively or individually if they wete oppressed by the US. It would effectively redistribute wealth and create a consumes market.
America exploited people everywhere
White racism is the existing paradigm
What you day isn't true. It doesn't even begin to excuse or even lessen the affect of African American slavery. It doesn't lesson the affect of disenfranchisment.
consequences is all americans talk about. we are excited to perform the scapegoat mechanism on any smaller group. there is no proof they do it because they are white. any bigger group will lash at a smaller group. the small group is ignorant people. the big group is everyone else. the truth is are all one ignorant group
The consequences of racism have not been addressed. White paradigm is this countries identifying aspect. It is a pledge of allegiance to everything white in America. It leaves real culture in a secondary place in our society .
You cannot know real racism if you are white in America. Everything is easier. No level playing field. History tells the story.
W.P does not exist because everyone is a shade of brown. We are unable to declare that P is exclusive enough to need the term W.P..... for all we know, the next animal to take over will have black widow privilege
"Societal movement", you sure must not understand racism, people are racist against whites the same way people are racist against other ethnicities. It is very sad how you can not spell or understand racism @Manuel Gallego
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FnZOGB4C-c&t=716s
I actually do not really have a problem with paying black people reparations in theory but I feel it may not have happened because of reasons other than racism....like every race wanting reparations for all the troubles they had...At no point was I complaining or saying my feelings were hurt in a rap song but I do feel it is messed up that people respect rappers talking about killing cops and cops are actually getting killed, hated, and mistreated because of this... Cops are getting kicked out of starbucks and shot to death at CiCi's pizza because of it. They are not racist sometimes one here and there out of all of them in the country make a mistake....thats it thats the real truth
I'm a cripple who got assaulted pretty bad by a whiteboy who also hurled a lot of racist slurs my way. I don't blame the world for what happened to me,I don't blame racism. It happened because at that point in my life I became the rabbit. A lot of people will see a rabbit and kick it because they find it enjoyable to kick something weak. I decided to stop being the rabbit. I shut the hell up and made myself stronger. Now when people wanna. kick me I tell them they may get punched or stabbed and they tend to no longer see me as the rabbit. Slurs were made prejudice's were committed, but ultimately it wasn't about racism, it was about rabbits.
I never debated Shapiro but many many times I debated one of his predecessors the founder of Prager U, Dennis Prager. Those guys are intellectualists, I'm more of a visceralist. People want to tout Shapiro as some kind of thundergod but he's basically a very successful net busker who dedicates himself to a mastery of facts.For me Data means very little because 1 theres always going to be counter data and 2 I'm more interested in the implications since the facts are usually based on agenda and interpretation. Once you accept that all media avenues are profit based then you realize that they all spew marketing concepts regarding the news. This to me is everyone from Russ Limbaugh to Amy Goodman. All I would say to you is don't let this stuff get into your blood to the point of stress.
I agree with your statement regarding Shapiro stomping on his own tail and I agree that he lost now because of it, but the fact is I have not seen/heard of anyone else defeat him in a debate, his points were not defeated only his assumption and that is still debatable, and people like you act like OOOHHHH YYAAAA when he lost ONE recent debate and destroys all the others. Furthermore I can understand not wanting to throw out examples of racism but that was the only way to give you my perspective. If you truly have seen so many examples of racism towards blacks could you not provide even one scenario? And we may have had totally different experiences I choose to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you when you say those things occurred but I hope you can understand that I have a hard time believing it because that is not my experience. I mean what is more believable just using common sense; A. White people are racist toward blacks all the time and calling them the N word contradicting the fact that in todays society even mispronouncing the N word ruins your entire life, reputation, and makes an entire race of people want you dead. Or B. Because black people are not subject to being called racist in any way shape or form they took advantage of that and use it to belittle, insult, and de-platform the people that they treat as being responsible for the race they belong to's past. Your probably going to argue that saying the N word does not have that effect and that black people can be held accountable for racism but if you argue that then it shows just how out of touch you are with reality.
I could relate to you the many times I have personally seen Racism inflicted by whites toward blacks. They probably numerically surpass your experiences because in truth it just occurred so many times in so many ways it just became sort of a normal occurrence. Not to judge you but its not my style to do that a lot. Briefly on Shapiro the reason I believe he got outclassed that night was because he stepped on his own tail. He assumed Niel had an agenda. He then became defensive and hostile AND accusatory. I would have never got trapped like that because I would simply answer each challenging question with a counterpoint response. I wouldn't get hostile because once again its not my nature to become resentful over a debate. When I get resentful or even angry is when folks get insultive or nasty. The irony I find in your observations is you want to minimize the effects of racism toward Blacks as you point to the effects of what you see as racism toward whites. So now you want me to somehow equate that a couple of Black dudes gave you a hard time at work to a lagacy of the middle passages, slavery,jim crow, Government recognition of Blacks as three fitfths human,lynchings,poverty, white crime flooding Black ghettos with Drugs, etc.etc.etc! THEN you point how your injustice has filled you with the righteous indignation while simultaneously accusing blacks of focusing on the past,Come on man.
The idea that Andrew Neil "destroyed" Ben Shapiro is subjective. I believe Ben did not do a good job of maintaining a civil conversation but I also do not believe he lost overall just because of that. All of his points are valid points he just fucked up in his delivery appearing to lose. Let me give you a little perspective; I am 28, I do not have a high school diploma because I suck at Algebra (missing one class Algebra 2), I had to start from scratch when my father died and move to Las Vegas with no family or friends and now I am and Armed Security Supervisor for a Casino planning on going into Law Enforcement soon.
What I know after growing up listening to rap (still do) because I love the music which helped me to deal with a lot of problems while I grew up. And becoming a rapper myself I used to hate the police. But now that I am older and have much experience working with the police and doing a similar job but on a smaller scale, I have come to realize that this idea of white people are not cool, racist, and are trying to dominate the world is very wrong. The first dumbest reason that this idea is not reasonable is that just because the people that lead the country are of a certain skin color does not mean that has to be racism driven.
Of course anything is possible, but when white Americans are the majority then it is more likely that they will hold certain positions. You bring up things that African Americans have been denied but you never state the reason the government gave for the denial and also many people of different races are denied things from the government all the time. Another is that spreading more insults and hatred to another race is not the way to fix racism it only causes more friction, depression, and suicides. I don't know where you grew up but in Los Angeles I was definitely not the majority as a white man. Every black person I ever met while in school with the exception of one was bullying and making fun of kids that were white saying things like "I bet your mom wants this black dick" or "Shut the **** up you don't have any problems your white stop crying".
And if a white kid tried to hang out with them they just would give him the extra cold shoulder not explicitly stating it is because he is white but come on....we all know why when everyone in your group of friends is black. That's the other thing they would only hang out with black people. Nowadays it is not as bad because they use white kids that want nothing more but to have friends to get money from them or use them to get out of trouble somehow especially if you live in the ghetto which I did for a long time. I know you are going to say these are all theories but things like this are only proven via word of mouth. I have had black Security Officers working under my supervision confirm these things as true to me as well. I have also had black Security Officers who turned on me because they are racist. I had a guy (a black guy ironically) that by gaming law I had to take his 10 dollars because he did not have an ID and i could not know if the funds were legally obtained or obtained by a minor. So he starts to come at me yelling and making threats, my S/O who is a black girl comes over and gets between us. Then a dumbass Manager gave him his money anyway because she was intimidated and ended up getting fired for it. After the fact the guy apologized to me (because he got his way) and my Officer responded to him by stating to me "Well ya hes gunna get mad you tried to take a black mans money". The saddest part of it was that all he had to do was bring in a valid ID and we would give his 10 bucks back but he wouldn't even listen long enough to hear that because he was to busy pulling the race card.
Any interaction I have with a black person of which I need to ask them to do something they respond by pulling out the race card. And I am talking about things that are just normally expected of people like providing Security with your ID while gaming in a casino. I have met many reasonable black people as well but I have met way way more unreasonable ones and almost every day in my line of work. You act like personal experience does not count for anything but it really does. It would be different if I was just a keyboard warrior in my moms basement but I actually have hands on experience dealing with the public for over 10 years and I am trusted to carry a firearm, supervise my team, and protect them everyday while on my property.
I apologize for being so lengthy but I wanted to get my perspective across to you and show where I am coming from even though I may not be well educated in the free market and resources I know how to recognize a problem when I see it and nothing you say to me can excuse the ignorant and racist behavior that these people get away with everyday and if you speak against it you are "alt-right" or racist. So I want to give you one more example of the racism I have experienced and this is the one that really brought me over away from the left. So working Security on the Las Vegas strip I was giving first aid to a black man who is a friend of ours that fell down the escalator and cracked his head open and we were waiting for the paramedics. As I am waiting I look up and notice a crowd of black people forming around us with cell phones. They then start screaming things like "I hope you burn you in hell you racist ****!" "How dare you crackers beat up some poor black man!" so now its been about 30 minutes of this and there is at least 25 people around us and the paramedics still haven't shown up. I call the paramedics and they said that the fire department cleared because they were unable to locate us. WELL SHIT I WONDER WHY?? So I ended up having to force the poor guy to walk up the street with blood pouring out his head to the Harmon Medical Center and get help which I do not know if he made it because I never saw him again. SO my question to you is at what point does racism toward white people become a problem? Because it already causes depression, anxiety, possibly causes mass shootings, and incidents like the one above where they might have actually killed one of their own people and a dear friend of mine.
American History, Native Americans made America free. African Americans saved the republic. European Americans basically invaded it.
You can be Shapiro as long as I get to be the guy who handed him his head,Andrew Neil. ( you tube Shapiro vs. Neil, hilarious.) If you do not have a practical knowledge in how to create resourses you have no real political,or social platform. Theoretical political science is as credable to the practical truth as a degree in underwater basket weaving. Financial resource is the key to any social movement and can only be achieved through a basic collectivist concept of contractual agreements and the bequeathed wealth of investors,aka wealth past on to you by your family or personal advocate,along with the quality of your instincts. African Americans were denied this throughout the entire American history. Native Americans were simply decimated. No group of people can endure such a history without being ravaged and every group who were opressed ultimately turned to crime during their term of oppression. That said the Irish,Italians,Jewish people and other Europeans were allowed assimilation while people of color simply were not. American Caucasians have lived under the lie that somehow it was they who created a nation of vast wealth and justice when in fact much wealthier healthier and more free nations preceded their unlawful invasion. The consequence to this is something that I have witnessed for 6 decades,the transfer from a predominantly English euro culture to a more Spanish culture from places such as Mexico,Salvador,and Honduras,along with the primary intellectual and artistic aspect coming from the African American people. And now in a new blessing a Somali Refugee may soon deliver us from the ineptitude of our current shameful leadership. I truly believe when the African American community is granted through resource a level playing field,many of our current dilemmas will be made obsolete.
Fact: It took you two hours to make a small paragraph that only addresses one of the topics I replied to above. Fact: I have a lot of knowledge and experience in a specific subject but I am just getting into politics so I can not speak to you about Marxism or the free market because I have not studied them enough. I hope you can respect that because it is something you never hear people say with the exception of Candace Owens. My people were oppressed but you do not see me asking for compensation. You know why? Because they're used to be a time that people did not accept hand outs and actually had a sense of pride and self accountability. I was a victim of many things but I do not go around trying to gain others sympathy for a profit. No instead you suck it up, eat a fucking steak and get over it because that's what your ancestors had to do and they were actually fucking oppressed and could not eat a steak. FYI social media and the internet is the normal form of communication now. If you can not rely on a google search to give you an idea of what is popular than you are stuck in the 80s. Especially if it is music which is pretty much only bought online now. Did you notice how if you do either one of those searches the whole list is of songs regarding police racism or brutality?
I place very little value in a pursuance of truth by way of Google,Twitter or anything else that makes people talk baby talk. I think federal reparations to anyone who's been opressed are valid as long as they're pro rated for both duration and amount of suffering inflicted. This would mean a significant redistribution of wealth. If that sounds Marxist to you let me make clear that I feel the only way to see that we can afford the high price of justice is to promote a policy of responsible free market deregulation. If the people who are proficient in providing resourses should flee the American market we will be left to battle for the remaining assets amongst,intellectuals,artists and religionists.
Try googling "rap song about good cops" then "rap song about bad cops" and there is your fact if there is a song that's about good cops it doesn't exist in a google search so no one has probably heard it or wanted to hear it because that wouldn't be cool. If you really believe that black culture respects white people or cops you must live under a rock. Please do not put words in my mouth, I never said anything about black people complaining all I said was that because of slavery it might be possible that they held a grudge and passed it on to their kids. I do not know anything about the reparations to be paid by the government to black people but I know that I am Irish why aren't the English paying me for my oppression? And why do you not hear any other race complain about having been slaves or oppressed? Because they know it did not happen to them directly and rioting in the streets throwing rocks and silencing people playing the victim just makes you look like an ass. The government probably realized that paying every single black person in America would leave them damn near broke and open a whole new world of opportunity for anyone else that come up with a reason that they should be compensated.... By the way silencing someone for their skin color is a whole different thing than hurting their feelings. When people get silenced and have no platform to voice their opinion bad things happen FACT. I just went Ben Shapiro all over your shit bruh ; )
Yes I gave an example based on my experience but that doesn't mean I do not have facts to support it I just have a lot of experience as well. Problem: In the black community it is cool to hate police. Fact: Like people will tell you (especially if you are a white rapper) Rap and Hip Hop are music that speaks for the black culture. So if this is true there is not one rap song by a black person that speaks good about the cops but almost all of them talk shit about the cops or white people directly or indirectly. If I understand you correctly you are saying that the newer generation of black people are trying to minimize racism. So lets say institutional racism does exist, you really think spreading more racism is the way to fix it? Because that is what we are seeing when people are silenced and not allowed to have a voice just because they are white. That is also why I believe these mass shootings are usually commited by white men. They are not allowed to speak or have a say in anything these days unless they are liberal snowflakes. In turn there is much bottled up anger that just builds and builds until they go crazy or suicidal.
I find it interesting how you advocate the use of statistical evidence to make a point then turn around and use your personal experiences to show an absolute conclusion or at least a compelling point. The next layer of irony is you base your evidence of insightful wisdom on a number of interactions with African Americans along with things you may have heard people say in the streets. I say that it is my experience that all people expose their children to practical living values and all people have disfunctional elements existing in their families. It's just the ones who happen to be of a darker color have this compounded by a history of hateful discrimination that now many of the children of the perpetrators choose to minimize.
If you can not prove that these problems exist in the first place of course you can not point to any data that shows they have been addressed. Is it not possible that maybe because of their grudge for the past slavery that most black people became rebellious to society and raised their kids this way? In turn causing them to drop out of school, join gangs, do drugs and all the other problems we see in predominately black areas? I have not met one black person my age that was raised to respect the police or white people and I grew up in Los Angeles. I know that they exist but it speaks to how rare it is and as culture it is cool to hate them which is very wrong but to SJWs it is okay. If you are taught to hate police and argue with them you will end up in jail and that is why they do. Institutional racism does not exist and I bet you can not give me even one example of it. Just because something is commonly believed by many people does not make it true.
Systematic racisim exists as a variation of institutional racism. Legal slavery,segregation originally recognizing Blacks as less then human,decimation of the original nations of America. Because of such repression poverty exists today in Black and Native American communities. If you believe the past has been adequately addressed to me that represents the most dangerous aspect of racism, the continuance of the current social order that features white dominance of power throughout the world or at least a world system based on elitism. You can not validate such views with so called facts, however you cannot point to any data that shows these problems have been addressed.
I am a 28 yo straight white male with no high school diploma. My parents were broke my entire childhood and my dad was an attorney but still broke because he had so much education and experience no one could pay his price. I have been broke my entire life and suffer from extreme depression, anxiety, and hunger. So excuse me if I have a hard time believing that I have a privilege because of the pale bland ugly skin color that I am.
Yes I agree that cultures can have problems in America White culture is the foundational element to crime being a problem in places like Baltimore as the financial and distribution element of the drug trade is established by unathorized white corporations who are very weathy. These are called organized crime.
I find it unconscionably ironic when a white man points to a blackmans cultural problems when it was that white mans culture that time and again perpetrated crimes against all cultures to retain a purpose of white entitlement and dare I say privilege. This was not promoted by all that were white,only by an elite white minority. Ultimately it oppressed everyone regardless of color.
Being white is almost the furthest from an actual privilege. Its demonized. Most of you have no clue of what the definition of "privilege" is. If there is any "privileged" race, at least, based off of the ignorant definitions of most of you then Asians would have the most privilege.
The reality and facts are simple. Every other race in America has 3 times the financial programs given to only them to help them succeed. We don't have race problems in this country we have "culture" problems.
This is why you have 14% of the US population of blacks, being responsible for 62% of all violent crimes being reported. Unfortunately, today's world has everyone so scared of color conversations even when its factual and based off undeniable evidence.
The biggest bias of privilege is one no one ever talks about and that is WOMEN'S PRIVILEGE.
Its very difficult for whites to come to grips with this. It doesn't just implicate America it implicates all European societies. The sadistic Spanish and Portuguese slave traders The French and British subjugation of Africa,genocides forced labor, torture,rape again and again. Then when it subsided the perpetrators said ,okay!Its over"we've now "set you free!"go fend for yourselves. No group of people could have endured this without terrible suffering and consequences. Now those who still reap benifiets from not just American white privilege but WORLD white privilege say" stop playing the race card!". Deal with the problems that exist within Black culture." The only problem with Black culture is that it became infested by White invading hordes. Saying that its now time to be color blind is the true playing of the White card. Not necessarily denying history, but worse yet,failing to acknowledge the consequences.
It doesn’t exist, change my mind.
Manual, I'm sure that you, like me, are wondering why there are no other commenters/debaters on this or any other subject on this site. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I will only add a couple more comments to you regarding this subject and then will consider my time spent discussing it, done. I'll explain---I have given up---years ago, simply going through the process of taking sides in a discussion/debate for the 'thrill of the competition', as a well-known statesman once said years ago. I fall in to that category.
I believe that, quite simply, humanity's short time on this earth has been very successful in its evolutionary approach to determining fairness and equity. These two worthy goals are, and never have been, primary in the ongoing process. Superiority over its surroundings 'in all forms', comes first. Not that certain aspects of our lives don't suffer in the process---environment, societal norms, etc. I'm sure you're familiar with the historical genealogy of homo sapien and how it(we) managed to survive all the trials and tribulations along the way--from conquering the Neanderthal some 35,000 years ago, and the Cro-Magnon some few thousands of years after.. In virtually every instance, Homo Sapien has conquered the obstacles that either kept it from succeeding or helped create a path to where we are today.
The strong survive, and the weak succumb. It is only after this historical process has reached a plateau of comfort and convenience that any species, including Homo Sapiens, relax long enough to adjudge fairness or equity in what they have done, and then appear to level the playing field. This is where we are today, as I see it. It is a time, I believe, when virtually all things outside our societal environs have been--appeased.
Concluding--and I apologize for being so lengthy, I agree with your assessment that white supremacy exists. I also believe it will continue this way for some time in many locales, although not all. I mentioned earlier my belief that as the human race continues to exist, homogeneity will eventually render the entire argument moot. I am an old man. It won't be in my lifetime. I'm guessing it may take 4-5 more generations to create a more acceptable balance. But this is as it is! There is no way around it. Yes, the occasional revolution here or there will bring to boil all the acid in the unfairness in humanity. But I submit that there will be salves applied here and there to these festering wounds, and life will go on.
I thank you for your time and interest in discussing/debating this subject, Manual, and hope you fine peace with the 'what is'. This will be my last comments on the subject.
When I say you must make peace I only mean that as an observation. The wealthy elite in this country who were white proclaimed freedom for all then recognized blackmen as three fifths human while they attrited red men. The direct historical line to that and today exists. The only thing that ended was killing and slavery. A criminal act is not met with justice by merely stopping the crime. Regardless of your position in society it would be worse if you weren't white. Denial of this is the lie. To play the white card is to proclaim so called color blindness when one of the main foundations of this society is to oppress based on color,then 250 years later deny the current consequences.
In America if you are white you must make peace with the fact that your life was based on a lie. Every thing a white person attains has so called white privilege as a major component to the base.Your white icons were Grandfathered to acclaim by racism, your success had white privilege enhancement. If you are struggling your fall will be less. Your gain will be greater. It is a cultural tie to history.
Hello, first off, i like the change my mind but opposing side spin off of steven crowder it’s a fresh way to see the question and i love it, but to get into it, i do not think there is such a thing as white privileged. Now this may sound racist but these are the facts ok, here we go, there are not more black men and women in jail, only 34% of jail inmates are of african american race, those facts are straight from naacp, and 70% of african american women are employed, vs. 69% of caucasian american women are employed now only 66% of african american men are employed but 79% of caucasian americans employed, and african american unemployment is at a nation wide low. And studies show that if you take a white male and an african american male that have the same job in the same state get paid the exact same.
The specific topic of my direction was white privilege, but yes those other privileges do exist. I was just putting it out there for someone to disagree with or debate. Also, the effects white privilege by far surpass the effects of black privilege. And on the topic of money privilege, that's a privilege that white people experience more than any other race in America.
Of course white privilege exists! So does moneyed privilege and black privilege and religious privilege and---, etc. The list of so-called privileges is long and specific to the culture, the geography, the time period one may use as a benchmark.
So while your statement is certainly true, it carries no weight or direction, or in my opinion, no purpose. Change my mind.