I don't see why everyone is debating against this clear, logical, evident, scientifically proven and simple fact. Do comment down below if you got any thoughts with or opposing this. But here's my thought, the idea of having more than 2 genders/sexes is a very modern idea and I simply don't think we should all be compelled to agree with it.
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There is more than two genders as sex and gender are two different words.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates a person's biological sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from that person's gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity). In this model, the idea of a "biological gender" is an oxymoron: the biological aspects are not gender-related, and the gender-related aspects are not biological. In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender. In other cases, an individual may have biological sex characteristics that complicate sex assignment, and the person may be intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not. Some languages, such as German or Finnish, have no separate words for sex and gender, and the distinction has to be made through context. On occasion, using the English word gender is appropriate.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.
A working definition in use by the World Health Organization for its work is that "'[g]ender' refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women" and that "'masculine' and 'feminine' are gender categories."The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) used to use gender instead of sex when referring to physiological differences between male and female organisms. In 2011, they reversed their position on this and began using sex as the biological classification and gender as "a person's self representation as male or female, or how that person is responded to by social institutions based on the individual's gender presentation."Gender is also now commonly used even to refer to the physiology of non-human animals, without any implication of social gender roles.
Credit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
If you want to do more research for yourself, here is some links:
Transgender: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender
Gender: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender#Non-binary_and_third_genders_2
This is the best website for sex and gender distinction and examples: http://thepbhscloset.weebly.com/a-list-of-genders--sexualities-and-their-definitions.html
Also, I have done extenseive amount of research upon this topic and am aware of what i am talking about. Wikipedia also isn't the best website for us to go to, it can be bias.
I am aware of the intersex population, however they are a minority, .05 % to be exact and they are considered anomalies. For example; some people are born with webbed hands/feet, some have 6 fingers, etc... In biology class however we learn that we have 10 fingers and 10 toes right? Its the Norm and we don't teach biology based on certain "outsiders". I am not disregarding this population however, because the vast majority of people who are intersex are not LGBTQIAP activists, they are people with very clearly identifying traits and skew to either male or female, they aren't just born in between. Anyways that is a total different topic. The topic/ issue I am talking about is the people who choose to identify their own gender who aren't born that way, and transgenderism.
so you said gender is a social construct, so where did this idea start? Where did gender stem from? I do not think that this is an excuse to give people the right to be transgender?
You obviously did not do the research I told you to do. I talked about gender dysphoria yet you still think, even when people have gender dysphoria, there shouldn't have the right to transition. That is just cruel.
You are not necessarily born in the middle of either male or female, you can just be something else.
Also how about you re read my entire argument because i answer some of your questions about gender in it.
Wow, strong topic I see. Well I'm stuck between decisions. In case you're unaware I am quite a millennial and this is the most controversial topic I can think of. In MY OPINION there are strictly two genders. Now hear me out, if this makes sense. You have a given gender at childbirth, obviously, but you can change it if you'd really felt the need to. We all know that as being "transgender", however that isn't another gender. They're just making a transition from one of the two genders to the next. It's not giving them a whole other column just for themselves. To add to that (side: note) I believe that actually making changes to your body, and not just the way you dress is truly becoming the opposite gender. Claiming you've become "trans" just because you decided to cut your hair short as a girl does NOT now make you a male. I hope that I made myself clear and didn't come on to strong but please feel free to reply. Thanks :)
Yes your argument definitely made sense, your argument supports the fact that there are 2 genders and no more, but people decide to transition only when they feel the need to. But you said that making changes to your body is truly becoming the opposite gender, lets talk about this. How so? What defines a female and a male for you?
You are transgender if if you are born inside of a male/female body and you have a brain of the opposite sex. (there are many biological differences between the two, look it up for more details). so yes, it is a birth defect and mental disorder.
People don’t just transition when they feel like they need to. They transition if they have them entail disorder known as gender disphoria. depending on how severe it is, sufferers of the disorder will feel things such as nausea, headaches etc. whenever something is mentioned to of with them and their birth sex. sometimes the sufferers will also go into extreme cases of depression, and many have suicidal feelings/actions.
So no, they don’t just transition when they feel like it, it’s a serious thing.
Also it is irrelevant of how female or male they are, or what type of chromosomes they have, as long as they feel like the sex of their brain/consciousnesse.
The consequences of your point is to alienate those who are different than you who already have been severely persecuted. No one otherwise healthy although diffrent can here a constant tirade of their sickness and otherwise remain unaffected. You shouldnt be censored just know you illicit remembrance of Goebbels era propaganda.
There are 2 genders male and female, all organisms have only 2 natural gender selections. SO Humans have 2 genders Male and Female.
<cough> high tension, echidnas have multi-pronged dicks, octopuses rip there tentacles off to mate, and so on and so forth into the animal kingdom, so whilst the human mammal only has two main sex organ variants with a few sub combos tossed into it, how we feel as far as gender goes is called human, and labeling that spectrum gives people comfort whilst denying it gives other people comfort. but it is there as certainly as ducks have corkscrew dicks, as far a orientation it doesn't matter find someone you want to **** and try your best to get them to let you. Its called the circle of life denying it leads to death.
Octopuses rip their tentacles off to mate, okay good point however they still make babies that way. If two men were to have sex there is no natural baby as an outcome thus the sexual relationship between them is just not natural. How is the argument of ducks having corkscrew dicks related to the fact that there are only 2 genders?
So i appreciate your well thought out post and it gave me food for thought. I had previously believed that there is only 2 genders. I now understand the difference between sex and gender sex=biological gender=social so now I feel my issue with the more than 2 genders idea is that you can believe yourself to be whatever the hell you like but do not expect people to read your mind and do not be libtarded about it. EXAMPLE: You go to the restroom and identify as a female but your sex is male. A female that identifies as a female is in the restroom and complains to Security that a male is in the female restroom. What do you tell the Security Officer? Well you should tell him that you identify as a female but your sex is male therefore you should've used the male restroom because restrooms are not requiring your gender they require your sex.
i am familiar with the idea that there is a difference between sex and gender. However, they stem from each other, where did the concept of gender come from? sex. simple. and i think people are just mixing up these terms just to justify people who clearly & biologically are a male or female but think that they identify as another gender for some reason- this reason usually not justifiable, not natural and not healthy either.
@Kitzz Spot on, since my last post about this I have changed my mind to believe it is gender dysphoria and a mental illness issue.. That would explain why it is so uncommon and why people are desperate to find a way to classify it socially.
The anatomical aspect does not concern me. How or who people should be percieved as concerns me greatly. The concept of man and women isn't going anywhere for a long time if ever. I believe it will not be based on genitialia or hormones,it will be based on who a person sees themselves as. The concept of man and women is more and more becoming identity based on philosophy and art rather than scientific conclusion.
Well at least we agree on one thing Gallego.
Someday a female will be the heavyweight champion. Women will play in the NFL. Physical diffrences between men and women exist today because of many thousands of years of male against female oppression. The concept of femininity and masculinity has nothing to do with hormones or science and everything to do with self identity and art. Women are the stronger sex collectively however its only because they are more free to explore their emotions therefore women have a greater sense of compassion. As things exist today a matriarchy will provide a society of greater capacity in all aspects. Men must come to terms with their marginalized existence that has weakend both men and the collective capacity of everyone. It's silly to make an issue of who should and shouldn't be there when we all primarily need to take a dump when its necessary.
The physical differences between men and women aren't a product of "The Patriarchy", they are biology. Also the MALE hormone testosterone contributes to the fact that men are physically stronger. Also by definition femininity means "the quality or nature of the female sex : the quality, state, or degree of being feminine or womanly" in the Merriam-Webster dictionary, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/femininity, Literally the state of being female, which is defined as "of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs" In the Merriam-Webster dictionary, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female,. That is biology not "Emotions" or "Feelings". So if you have the ability to give birth then you are a female, some exceptions such as infertility.
False. Men and Women are gentically diffrent from when God put Adam and Eve on the planet. Men bodies are more suited for things like NFL and Weight LIfting. IM not saying Women cant but we have to face the facts. A women in the modern day NFL would be chewed up and spit out. Lets also adress how Women are more compastionatte yes that does not mean they are better at things Men are more geared towards. Lets use common sense please and not rant what you heard from your friends in Portland.
Also most men will never be completely free unless they live a portion of their life as a complete traditional female. Women do not have to do the opposite because if they became a traditional male it would not be a complete humiliation. Men utilize accomplishment and artistic expression and ESPECIALLY intellectualism to conceal the fact that they are terrified of women. If you are Elvis Presley you get girls because your a star therefore u don't have to rely on the quality of your character or the prowess of your allure. Most men are homophobes because ALL men are gay. Homophobes are homophobes not because they fear gay people but but because they fear themselves. Men utilize sports to appease their gay need by way of male bonding.Of course this means Sports are gay especially contact sports and of course war is extremely gay. That is all. BYE BYE!
One more thing Most extremely masculine men who smoke cigars do it because it appeases their desire to consumate an act of fellatio.
@Manuel Gallego MY GOD man who filled up your brain with this bullshit?? Had to be your gender studies professor and his personal bullshit opinions. None of what you just said has any evidence of being true but the counter arguments to it do. Men will not be completely free unless they become female for some time?! That is the weirdest thing I have heard in a while..Women are feminine because of Men oppressing them for years?! Come on man its basic biology. Men want to suck dick and that's why they smoke cigars? This sounds more like you trying to make your own sexual insecurities normalized by saying every man is gay. Where do you come up with this shit? I love how you just throw a shit load of your beliefs out there with no evidence of truth and blame me for using my personal experience. At least personal experience has a basis in reality unlike random theories pulled out of your ass. "Men utilize accomplishment and artistic expression and ESPECIALLY intellectualism to conceal the fact that they are terrified of women." Terrified of Women? You are a male correct? If that's true then everything you are saying applies to yourself as well. So you are afraid of women, a homosexual, have a marginalized existence, are weaker than Women, and have been oppressing them for years??? Sounds like you need a shrink man.
When making accusations against me you forgot about the cigar reference.
Its cool about the cigar thing man, I just want to know where you got this information or how you came to formulate these opinions?
I've witnessed men with the persona of Clint Eastwood squeal like young schoolgirls with the explosion of elation of that first clinax of escaping the closet.I once saved the life of a Baptist preacher from West Virginia who stumbled into the wrong nieghborhood in search of consummation with men in dresses. Homophobia is not the fear of a homosexual. It's the fear of personal truth. Up is down left is right,You become a variation of Alice into the looking glass entering uncharted expanse.The truth becomes a betrayal of a lie as you realize you desire nothing less than the tender kisses of a fellow brute.
I do not know what walk of life would take you down the path of witnessing multiple men who act like Clint Eastwood squeal like schoolgirls and come out of the closet but I would think you would have to be working at a clinic of some sort. Also you said you are disabled so no offense but unless you were disabled after the fact how did you go about saving someones life from what sounds like a physical confrontation? You stated that all men are gay which is probably the most crazy thing you have said so far. How could you even possibly determine that? Everything you stated are assumptions based on your personal beliefs and probably insecurities. Just because you are gay and want a "brute" to kiss you does not mean that I do. I am very open minded but nothing about a man is attractive to me. Like I said I think you feel the need to justify your own sexuality for some reason so you are claiming that all men are just like you. I am not scared of homosexuals at all I have a few friends that are and I think of them like I would anyone else.
I found that dating intelligent, beautiful women who were socially conservative to be quite monotonous. I also found monogamy this way. I found access to a society of women who became quite wealthy as independent private models. Many of their male clients were also closet gays. Many if those men were wealthy and powerful. As I went deeper into this society I would cross paths with them at more and more at underground events. Many of them had a special longing for large physically powerful straight men. These physically powerful staightmen would make themselves available for an extremely high price. They would be in private rooms with their male entertainers adjacent to the private room of me and my female entertainers. I would here these ghastly roars and bizzare shrieks. Some of the entertainers would later tell me why. I realized these closet gay men represented what has been happining in prisons and naval ships and back alleys since the beginning of society. These men were emulating the unique aspect of traditional femininity. Too have someone physically dominating deep inside them. They wanted to taste womanhood. They wanted to feel the truth of their bodys by carrying the seed of their husbands.
Ummmm wow okay so you found an underground sex club and that's where you are basing your wild arguments that sound like you have been stuck on an acid trip? I think we are done here.
you sound exactly like a friend of mine from sydney australia. so much so that im convinced you are him. especially because of your name, he always had names like irish, Not asian, etc. I have taken a liking to you for it. Also you speak sense, good life to you my good man! Greetings from Zimbabwe (evidence that we are not cracking nuts here with smartphones gifted to us by white people)
You can point to science and data to validate your social directive. I can point to counter data to refute you, then you will inevitably say yes but my data carries consensus among the "experts". Then I will remind you the experts refuted Columbus,etc etc. Another old stale intellectual discourse. Empirical evidence, visceral observation, this is the most compelling way to make a point I believe. Then when your opponent cast aspirations then disapears into mist you simply wait for another challenge. My concept is nothing new in fact it appeared in a movie that won best picture called American Beauty.
When your born, your either a male or female. You can't exactly be in between.