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I want to debate this but youve given such little context on your views. Could you please elaborate? ie: Your Vegan bc u love animals or something
I believe that the world should eventually become vegan because of 3 main reasons: health, the environment and animal rights. I'd be interested to hear your view, or could you be vegan or smth like that. :)
Im not vegan. My counter argument to that is A: If you eat lean meats in moderation you get the same health benefits Vegan diets provide 2: The enviroment is directly supported by the killing of farm animals and 3: Animals that are eaten know 4 things in life Eat, Breed, Sleep, Poop so its not inhumane to kill a cow compared to a puppy a animal with a personality and emotion.
i'm vegan for ethical reasons so i'd like to focus on that. Are you implying that cows don't have emotions, feelings or personalities? Actually pigs, cows and sheep are much more intelligent than cats or dogs. We just see them as pets for cultural reasons. And those 4 things you said that farm animals know, does that sound good for you?
I agree that being vegan is beneficial in a lot of ways, but eating in such restrictive ways is out of the question for a lot of people. Most people who live in poverty would not be able to afford a vegan diet.
I agree, there are a lot of issues with poverty, also when attached to veganism. But planting some beans, lentils and many other vegetables shouldn't be more expensive than a farm with animals which take up a lot of space. And the fact that you could wrote that comment means that you don't live in extreme poverty... so it's not your excuse for harming animals.
I never said I couldn't be vegan, but I am 15 years old so I don't have a lot of vegan options in my house as I don't really do the grocery shopping or meal planning. My family gets all of our meat from free range farms, there are a lot of benefits to eating meat and I'm not going to cut it out my my diet. I agree that most ways of harvesting meet are inhumane and should be stopped but I don't contribute to any of those industries.
I don't think everyone should be vegan. People need their own freedom. This isn't what people would want to live like, not because we don't respect animals, but because we already have a bunch of laws, and we don't need any more. You're right though, we kill animals and then it causes environmental issues. That's why there is about 73 million vegans in the world. You can be vegan if you want, but nobody will make you. You should have the freedom to choose.
I understand your point, but if it isn’t right, it’s not about freedom. You can’t freely rape anyone, kill anyone or sell anyone and these are things that we do to animals every second.
Wow now who is raping animals? No one brought that up.
@AIDAN SIVITS the cows are artifically inseminated they take the bulls semen and put it inside the cows anus. there they reach with their hand to the vagina, which causes the animal pain. no it isn’t indeed ”rape”, but it is wrong and sexual for the animal.
Why do you think other animals are equal to humans, the most influential and power animal in history?
I don’t think they are. I believe that as humans we shouldn’t be using that power and intelligence to hurt other beings. Instead we should respect animals and not see them as objects who just happen to live in the same world as us.
i dont fully agree with you, if im from america i wouldnt eat meat there, because the ways people slaughter the animals is brutal and inhumane, the meet turns out bad and negative, although if its halal meat, than its ok to consume. if you dont know what halal meat is its the meat that muslims eat. the animal is slaughtered in the most human way possible, in the us they kill all the animals at the same time, the right and halal way to kill the animal is to seperate the animal that going to be killed from the others and blindfold them, this way the animals will not see,hear or even smell what is happening. they killing involves cutting the jugular vein, carotid artery and windpipe.the jugular vein, carotid artery and windpipe. Animals must be healthy at the time of slaughter and all blood is drained from the carcass. (by the way sorry if my english is not perfect)
@Dani Chemali Your english is good, i see your point here. But the main question is not how the animals live and die, it’s about the whole system being wrong. It doesn’t matter how ”humanely” you kill the animal, you’re still killing an innicent being for your satisfaction.
i believe killing animals to eat is a part of nature, animals kill other animals to feed themselves and their families. its is cruel but thats reality. i believe i can eat the animal if its killed the way i want it to be. if you love animals and find it evil to kill a soul for your satisfaction you have the right to think so, but its not right to say everyone should be vegan because the term vegan was not created by nature or religion or science. its just an ideology and people who believe that ideology can be a part of it but not all people are the same.
the main thing is that can you justify killing the animal. what’s your excuse? are your tastebuds worth more than someones life?
Its not a "someone" its a animal created by god for consumption. Its a quick and easy death. They are not meant for wonderful magical lives it would be more cruel to provide them that then kill and eat it.
@AIDAN SIVITS so god has said for you to murder? i don’t think so. you are not eating the animals for survival, just for pleasure. that is the problem. you can’t justify an action, by saying that 2000 years ago people ate animals, that doesn’t mean that you have to.
i live in Montana and many people have to hunt to live. if there was total veganism people would starve all the farms (local farms not big company) would shut down so no food for tens of thousands of people, thousands of people out of a job. with no hunting gun markets crash (more lost jobs) and car crashes skyrocket due to to many dear. you cant live in many places because bears arnt being hunted and they have even more food (dear). housing markets crash due to dangers of living with so many dangerous wild animals. tell me we should not hunt. (this is western Montana not eastern)
If you are vegan to help the environment, I'm sorry but you are kidding yourself if you think you are making a difference. Climate change is a HUGE issue that cannot be solved by a couple million people not eating particular foods. But it can be stopped with tighter legislation on big polluting companies, by moving to greener ways of production, by cutting military spending. The US military has a bigger carbon footprint than 60 countries COMBINED
@Mimi Brown i agree, the big companies causing greenhouse gas emissions are a very big problem. but acriculture is somewhere between 20-50% of the whole human caused climate change. being vegan actually cuts your carbon footprint so much and makes you feel that you are actually trying to do something, not just sitting there waiting for everyone else to do something. i bet, in a vegan world climate vhange wouldn’t be that big of a problem in a bout a hundred years.
@Ella Surakka WELL I mean that we need milk to live if we didn’t have anyone ove that we would die
no dont go forcing ur lifestyles on others